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Sagius Truthbarron · Jun 25, 2005, 11:23 AM // 11:23

If you noticed, atleast two necromancer spells in the game (Deathly Swarm) use the Pentagram symbol. This symbol is not only related to the worship of the Devil or worship of various "Dark Figures" throughout history, it was also secretly used in many ritual areas by people such as the Nazis.

For example, in Heinrich Himmler's (Reichsfurer-SS, basically second in command of the Nazi regime) Wewelsburg castle the most inward ritual chamber, Himmler’s personal ritual chamber, the floor of which was a giant pentagram, there he tortured Jews, British and American POWs, and various smaller organizations. Obviously there was a reason to why he plastered a giant version of it around the center of his inner sanctum.

Recall that the Swastika is the Ancient buddhist symbol of peace turned upside down, meaning wrath and war and that it has no right to exist.

The Pentagram itself stems from ancient Babylon and was later adopted by Roman and Greek cults, it still lives on today, being used by Neo-Nazi organizations and serial murderers.

Obviously, the spread of such occult symbols that are still in use today is serious. We should be moving forward, to science, not backwards to the Dark Ages. If you share the same sentiments as I do, then go to www.guildwars.com/support and write out a complaint and post it to the Guild Wars public relations department.

NOTE: I am not doing this out of some Christian crusade. I for one, do not think that the image belongs in the game as much I do not think that scriptures from the bible or crosses should be implemented into the game. I am doing this for the same reason as one would to remove the use of Swastikas in the game.

DO NOT POST NEGATIVE COMMENTS HERE, PLEASE. This was done enough in a 190 post topic, now located in the off-topic section under the name "Ingame Pentagram Immages".

Know that your opinions will not be looked down apon becuase of this and that opressors have no voice here. If you do not wish to reveal yourself here, then please go ahead to www.guildwars.com/support and post your petition to them.

Thanks.

Weezer_Blue · Jun 25, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35

What if I was a devil worshipping, death loving, cultist who made daily sacrafices to Satan? "Oh Noes!" There are Ankhs around every corner in this game. I seriously can't play for more than 30 seconds (in a mission/whatever) without seeing one. The symbol of life used in Ancient Egyption cultures which infringe on my beliefes are obviously endorced by Arena.Net. The symbol you are complaining about is seen extremely rarely, as deathly swarm isn't a widely used skill, and necromancers are uncommon at best. Even worse is the fact that you cannot even pinpoint why it is insulting. Unless you have something against wiccans or something. But this ankh needs to be replaced by a non-religious item immediatly, as I can hardly play without seeing one, and I must cover my eyes every time. Ach! There's healing hands. Ach! There's every other healing spell in the game.

If you ask me, the above is completely rediculous. But ya know what? It makes perfect sense, according to your very own logic.

PS: Asking people to not argue against your point of view is rediculous. It would be like if I made a thread saying "Petition for UAS/UAR for PvP characters" and then at the bottom I wrote "PLEASE DON'T POST OPPOSING POINTS OF VIEW!!11ONE"

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 11:40 AM // 11:40

As this thread has already been locked by a mod once I can only wonder how long this will last. As on the locked thread you never answered my post I am forced to post on this thread also. So here goes:

I beleive that the U.S goverment is a bunch of Neo-Nazi Devil worshippers. Why you ask? Well because their millitary headquarters are located in a pentagon shaped building. They must secertly worshit santan. No we are all insulted over this what will we do.

Now here is the link with all the arguments covering this issuse so can we just skip em this time and have a mod lock/delete this and warn Sagius Truthbarron to stop re posting this thread.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=25124

Aaaaagh · Jun 25, 2005, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Whats wrong with a swastika first of all? It used to be a good sign, some bad guys used it and now its bad? Bad logic.

So, lets say Im a psychopathic killer, and I get an opportunity to be the leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world. I decide my regime should use..oh..a peace sign for my 'symbol of domination.' Now, I kill lots of people....all of a sudden the peace sign is bad?

The pentagram has been in (nearly?) every RPG and MMORPG I have played. The US Capitol is build on a giant pentagram, the pentagram is a mathimatical wonder. Just because YOU perceive a symbol as offensive, doesnt make it so. I can irrationaly decide a circle is offensive and get all bent out of shape about it too, but it wouldnt do any good to anyone, and it would just frustrate me.

Now I think this is your third post on the same subject. You have not found sympathetic ears, yet you try. Some would call that valliant, I call it foolish.

I presume you are young, because your hostility toward a symbol is very narrow minded and ignorant. Youth and ignorance walk hand in hand. Your bound to be offended by that statement, but think. There are many GOOD things about a pentagram, you CHOOSE to see the bad.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jun 25, 2005, 11:44 AM // 11:44

For the record, the moderator her/himself told me to repost it here. Now please delete your posts.

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Anyone who has any grievances with anything in-game can post it in Sardelac Sanitarium (this means you, original poster, not Riverside Inn) or they can email support at Arenanet.

Aaaaagh · Jun 25, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

For the record, the moderator her/himself told me to repost it here. Now please delete your posts.

Yessir! Going to delete right now!

*walks over to the SCREW YOU button*

*pushes it*

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

Whats wrong with a swastika first of all? It used to be a good sign, some bad guys used it and now its bad? Bad logic.

So, lets say Im a psychopathic killer, and I get an opportunity to be the leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world. I decide my regime should use..oh..a peace sign for my 'symbol of domination.' Now, I kill lots of people....all of a sudden the peace sign is bad?

The pentagram has been in (nearly?) every RPG and MMORPG I have played. The US Capitol is build on a giant pentagram, the pentagram is a mathimatical wonder. Just because YOU perceive a symbol as offensive, doesnt make it so. I can irrationaly decide a circle is offensive and get all bent out of shape about it too, but it wouldnt do any good to anyone, and it would just frustrate me.

Now I think this is your third post on the same subject. You have not found sympathetic ears, yet you try. Some would call that valliant, I call it foolish.

I presume you are young, because your hostility toward a symbol is very narrow minded and ignorant. Youth and ignorance walk hand in hand. Your bound to be offended by that statement, but think. There are many GOOD things about a pentagram, you CHOOSE to see the bad.

This doen't apply to all young people though. Just to let you all know. I'm 16 and am very open-minded. Opinionated? Yes. Willing to argue any topic for pratice? You bet. Willing to listen to any INTELLIGENT idea in well written ENGLISH? Yep.

Old people can be narrow minded and ignorant. Don't assume that hes young.

Silmor · Jun 25, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Alas, this is a forum. People are entirely free to post their opinions on subjects, negative or not. And in this particular case, you're just dead wrong on the money; unfortunately you seem to have spent very little time trying to read/understand those 170 replies.

Just because the Nazi's dabbled a bit in the occult doesn't give them ownership of every single symbol used in that field, nor do those symbols represent their villainy in any way. The (reverse) swastika is the token representation of their regime, and as such is on an entirely different level than a pentagram.

I just wonder though, did you write to iD to tell them to remove all the pentagrams from their Doom line of games as well? We're not talking one or two spell effects that might look like pentagrams there, we're talking pentagrams splayed all over the damn game, with a clear overtone of devilry involved.

Golgotha · Jun 25, 2005, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Is this serious?

Aaaaagh · Jun 25, 2005, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

This doen't apply to all young people though. Just to let you all know. I'm 16 and am very open-minded. Opinionated? Yes. Willing to argue any topic for pratice? You bet. Willing to listen to any INTELLIGENT idea in well written ENGLISH? Yep.

Old people can be narrow minded and ignorant. Don't assume that hes young.

Im playing the odds, I know some young people are more open minded and vice versa. Most of the time when individuals back irrational ideas with extreme passion, they are young. I only presume he is young because there is only a 20%(imo) chance Im wrong.

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

For the record, the moderator her/himself told me to repost it here. Now please delete your posts.

I would really perfer not to as you have reposted the same exact OP as in the other thread with the exception of adding the "Don't post if you disagree part." My goal now is to either make this thread Off-Topic and Absurd again or to here an intelligent argument supporting tour view. The 2-3 that you had were defeated in the other thread so unless you have some new ideas pleas go away and let us post good suggestions.

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

Im playing the odds, I know some young people are more open minded and vice versa. Most of the time when individuals back irrational ideas with extreme passion, they are young. I only presume he is young because there is only a 20%(imo) chance Im wrong.

Agreed but this narrow-mindedness is mostly taught by these kids parents. So it expontialy increases until it leads to a war killing off a bunch of them and then the whole thing starts over again.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jun 25, 2005, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Anyone who has any grievances with anything in-game can post it in Sardelac Sanitarium (this means you, original poster, not Riverside Inn) or they can email support at Arenanet.

All further posts are hertical to the topic. This was a direct message from the Moderator. Please delete your posts.

You can't win unless you silence me, admit it. Admit it. You can't win, you're afraid that I'll "win", so you have to silence me by making flame after flame. Good job..

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

Is this serious?

For him it is. For every one else it's a great way to increase your posting title without much though required.

Aaaaagh · Jun 25, 2005, 11:53 AM // 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

All further posts are hertical to the topic. This was a direct message from the Moderator. Please delete your posts.

You can't win unless you silence me, admit it. Admit it. You can't win, you're afraid that I'll "win", so you have to silence me by making flame after flame. Good job..

Thank you Sagius, you have given me great entertainment tonight. This is some seriously funny funny stuff. I thought you were serious before, but now I know you cannot be. To actually think anyone would be 'afraid' that you would win is absolutely hillarious. Like everyone is advocating for pentagrams in a game. No one cares. I thought you did, but you can't, not if you post stuff like the above.

You have to be nuts if you think you can have your say, and I will just delete mine....nuts.

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

All further posts are hertical to the topic. This was a direct message from the Moderator. Please delete your posts.

You can't win unless you silence me, admit it. Admit it. You can't win, you're afraid that I'll "win", so you have to silence me by making flame after flame. Good job..

We don't care if you win or not. We are posting here to just piss you off. (J/K) Bring a singel supporter for your idea in here and we might take you more seriously but right now you sound like a hopped up 5 year old on crack.

Now weres that mind to lock this before it turns into another flame war.

EDIT: The mod who locked him is off line. Phuey. A well hope he checks his e-mail I let him no that your at it again.

Weezer_Blue · Jun 25, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Tell me, Sagius. Did you address my post? How bout the one after it? Look, until you make a ****ing arguement for yourself, quit telling us we're flaming your thread. I can't win? I don't have to win. The game is already the way I'd prefer it (for this particular issue). I believe it's you who needs to "win".

As for the stupidity and youth: I'm 16, and within the past month, I realize I have appeared very narrow minded. But you must understand that the current Guild Wars is not the game that I thought I was buying, and thus I complained. When people told me to "quit bitching", I grew increasingly pissed off, as I could not find a single valid reason that went against my own oppinions. This isn't the game we were advertised to through beta or through any written word. Before this sham, I'd like to think that I was fairly open minded, and definatly not ignorant, although I do have strong oppinions. That is not a sign of ignorance.

Silmor · Jun 25, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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All further posts are hertical to the topic. This was a direct message from the Moderator. Please delete your posts.

Direct message? Sorry, you're not a moderator. And heretical (I assume that's what you were trying to spell)? Yours is not the official opinion, and definitely not the popular opinion, so negative posts simply can't be considered heresy by its very definition.

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You can't win unless you silence me, admit it. Admit it. You can't win, you're afraid that I'll "win", so you have to silence me by making flame after flame. Good job..

Forums are all about exchanging opinions, not about winning. Apparently you seem afraid to 'lose' the moment you stop posting however, so you keep posting the same nonsense over and over again. Don't worry about it so much. You gave your opinion, it stands, no matter what other people say about it. If you're actually seeking to discuss this topic, then feel free to do so, but don't just post for the sake of posting or 'winning'.

EmperorTippy · Jun 25, 2005, 12:06 PM // 12:06

i have messaged a mod (Ending) as I didn't know of any others that are online at the moment. Hope he locks this before the flame war gets out of hand and warns the OP to stop posting a deceased topic.

Weezer_Blue · Jun 25, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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I don't care what you think, stop beating a dead horse. I don't care if you're hell bent on worshipping Ba'al, don't tell me that you are.

If I want it removed then I'll petition for it to be removed. You had your say, now let me have mine that I may be proven right.

You had 190 posts for your say, that is enough and it is my turn now. Delete your post.

I don't know whether I should be laughing my ass off or angry as hell. Whatever. I just wanted to expose something.

Edit: Why is there a "Re:" there anyway? I don't waste my time PMing people, so it's not a reply to anything I said.